To whom it may Concern.

[philmc1]

Booked an appointment late last week with this girl.

http://kitchener.backpage.com/Female...ou-19/14170975

And i got this girl.

http://londonon.backpage.com/FemaleE...re-19/14109885

Same phone # on both ads.

They also work with this girl.

http://londonon.backpage.com/FemaleE...al-21/14186289

Just a heads up for some B&S

The service i had from Mya was not to bad,but i would not repeat. I wanted to see Chyna so i don't know if she is real or not.

[gogofmagog]

Seriously..... do they think we wont notice? WTF?

GOG

[Art Mann]

Seriously..... do they think we wont notice? . . .

"They" don't know who "we" are. But they are pretty sure the average john perusing backpage is a sucker. Which is probably true.

In contrast, we who use these boards are not the average, ill-informed johns who waste funds keeping the B&S scams in business.

[coldrods]

You guys are very appreciated!!!

[Faithxo]

I'm really sad to see this thread! Yes Chyna and I were working together, chyna was not working the day philmc had booked so it was assumed that he was booking for me, unfortunately I should have asked him from the start but I didn't and he didn't mention anything about chyna until the end, both chyna and I weren't on bp trying to play games with people, and for you guys to make it seem like that is very out of line! Chynas ad wasn't even up that day in london, and sorry but what was there to notice? We didn't do anything wrong, we were working together off the one phone because we were doing duos with each other! I just needed to let you guys knows this as philmc could have been a little more detailed with his post instead of just trying to shut down peoples business!

[BeeCee]

Thanks for chiming in Faith.

When we see an ad, we don't often look to see when it is posted, and we dont know that more than one girl is using the phone. I think if any SP is sharing a phone with another they need to always ask the client who he is calling for. Many girls that share a phone do this. You can't expect us to know who is working or not just based on when they post their ads, or that you share a phone.

Now this may sound racist and I don't intend it to be, but there are so many groups of touring black girls that hit London, Kw, Hammer, Sauga etc that an honest provider needs to be aware of it, so they can get ahead of problems like these by ensuring clear communication. Yes white gals tour too, but since the majority of sps around here are white, the touring girls don't stick out so much. There was that group of touring French bitches for example, that hasn't been around lately.

I had so many bait and switch black girls, claiming they were some kind of mix, that I just ignore any ads now that appear to be a touring group. I don't even know if you are local or touring, just that your ad in kw is infrequent.

Not saying this is you, but when you get several girls sharing a phone it generally means pimp or just back to back, high volume girls. I mean really, what is the excuse for sharing a phone? You can get your own phone cheap and easy from Petro Can etc. One hh visit and your phone expense is covered for the month.

And sharing rooms? Again that is bull crap as one hh covers that too. Not saying you do that... Just another red flag that is indicative of a stable of girls, or just bad service.

Personally I feel the poster was completely justified. The onus is on the business operator to ensure clear and concise communication, truth in the ad, privacy, cleanliness and turning off her phone during a session. These are just some of the basics that all the regular local gals do. And these are the things that many of the touring girls do not do. A good sp treats you how she would like to be treated.

Just my 2 cents

P.s. if one googles 226-606-9286
You see ads for Krystal, Nicole, Chyna, Coral, Mariah, Sarah, Leah , Sereena, Valentina...and the list goes on and on and on...

[rexst]

http://escortphonesearch.com/226-606-9286/

[honeycrisp2]

This may or may not be what some board members want to hear but I'm just going to chime in and say it anyway. I regularly share rooms with other girls and am not ashamed to say so. I only do it with girls whom I am in regular contact with due to us being close friends outside of the biz. We have an excellent system in place in which each of us is allotted a time frame during that day where we can use the room. We are diligent about ensuring the cleanliness of the room and that supplies are in stock and fresh towels are available. There is never more than one of us using the room at a time and you would never even know we were sharing unless you were to ask. It is somewhat unfair to expect us lower-volume providers to each book our own room, especially when we intend to work on the same day and only for a few hours. Since I typically only see 3 or 4 clients within a given hotel booking (for instance, 2 in the evening and 1 or 2 in the morning before checkout), it really does make a difference to share the cost of the room rather than have 1/3 or 1/4 of the days income removed due to hotel costs. I think that if this is done tactfully it should not be indicative of a lack of professionalism.

As for phones being off - I try to ensure that the sound on my phone is off (I have forgotten a few times in which case I always apologize and quickly turn it off). However, I keep my phone on and near to me at all times. This is simply a safety measure. My screening process is fairly effective and there are very few times I have ever felt unsafe, but you can never be too careful. It is important for me to have my phone in arms reach and I would not be willing to change that. It is also important for me to be a good provider so I never answer texts or look at my phone during sessions.

And sharing rooms? Again that is bull crap as one hh covers that too. Not saying you do that... Just another red flag that is indicative of a stable of girls, or just bad service.

Personally I feel the poster was completely justified. The onus is on the business operator to ensure clear and concise communication, truth in the ad, privacy, cleanliness and turning off her phone during a session. These are just some of the basics that all the regular local gals do.

[New to this]

This may or may not be what some board members want to hear but I'm just going to chime in and say it anyway. I regularly share rooms with other girls and am not ashamed to say so. I only do it with girls whom I am in regular contact with due to us being close friends outside of the biz. We have an excellent system in place in which each of us is allotted a time frame during that day where we can use the room. We are diligent about ensuring the cleanliness of the room and that supplies are in stock and fresh towels are available. There is never more than one of us using the room at a time and you would never even know we were sharing unless you were to ask. It is somewhat unfair to expect us lower-volume providers to each book our own room, especially when we intend to work on the same day and only for a few hours. Since I typically only see 3 or 4 clients within a given hotel booking (for instance, 2 in the evening and 1 or 2 in the morning before checkout), it really does make a difference to share the cost of the room rather than have 1/3 or 1/4 of the days income removed due to hotel costs. I think that if this is done tactfully it should not be indicative of a lack of professionalism.

As for phones being off - I try to ensure that the sound on my phone is off (I have forgotten a few times in which case I always apologize and quickly turn it off). However, I keep my phone on and near to me at all times. This is simply a safety measure. My screening process is fairly effective and there are very few times I have ever felt unsafe, but you can never be too careful. It is important for me to have my phone in arms reach and I would not be willing to change that. It is also important for me to be a good provider so I never answer texts or look at my phone during sessions.

While I agree about the phone being near you for safety I have to disagree with the room sharing, maybe it was the SP's I saw but when they are sharing a room you can tell, as we have never met this is not a judgement on you just a general statement most girls charge in the 120-220 range for hh to fh, now I am not sure what hotel you are working out of but most girls I have seen the rooms are in the 90-140 night range, 1 client would pay for the room and assure to us the client that it is not an assembly line feel and wondering how much cleaning up happened between clients if any. I know that you are in the business to make money that is fine but if as a client the first thing you wonder is how many guys have laid on these same sheets...well you can imagine how it makes us feel too.

[honeycrisp2]

Yes, one client does pay for the room, but like I said, my friends and I are low-volume providers. We probably see the same number of clients COMBINED as one higher volume SP might in a day. I sometimes see as few as 2 clients, in which case I'm losing 50% of the day's income. If one of my friends wants to see one or two clients there earlier in the day I don't see any reason why that should be bothersome. Often we get room service in between. Furthermore, having only one girl in the room doesn't mean that multiple people haven't been using the bed. It doesn't really make a difference. You're either the only client who's visited the room that day, or you aren't. Maybe there was 2 other people there, maybe there was 3 or 4, and you will never know. If you can't stop yourself from wondering, that's not our fault. Whether those 3 or 4 clients were seen by one girl or divided amongst two girls, who cares? I get what you are saying but this business is what it is, and if the room looks tidy and presentable when you arrive, I don't think it's fair to ask that an SP be the only one using the room when you would not be able to tell the difference either way. If I wasn't going to share the room, I'd simply do more appointments to compensate for it (which I'd rather not do) and then you have the same number of clients having used the bed anyway. Yes I am sure customers do wonder about how much cleaning up has happened if any when they arrive, but they are going to wonder that regardless of what the actual truth is. Some nights I actually do only see one client and no one else has been to the room that day. Let's say I've been laying in the bed reading a book before the client arrived (which I often do), so the bed doesn't look like it's been freshly made. In that case, the client will come in and probably assume I've entertained someone else before them, and they may wonder how many. But it doesn't matter, and they are going to wonder no matter what. It's just the nature of it, you know? Not all of us SPs make tons of money in this biz. I personally make enough to cover my rent and tuition, and if there's an opportunity for me to save I'll take it. I'm not going out getting manicures and buying nice shoes and going to the car wash every day. When given the opportunity to save money, I go out of my way to ensure that things are done tactfully and that the room is clean and presentable. I do not think it is fair to ask for more than that.

While I agree about the phone being near you for safety I have to disagree with the room sharing, maybe it was the SP's I saw but when they are sharing a room you can tell, as we have never met this is not a judgement on you just a general statement most girls charge in the 120-220 range for hh to fh, now I am not sure what hotel you are working out of but most girls I have seen the rooms are in the 90-140 night range, 1 client would pay for the room and assure to us the client that it is not an assembly line feel and wondering how much cleaning up happened between clients if any. I know that you are in the business to make money that is fine but if as a client the first thing you wonder is how many guys have laid on these same sheets...well you can imagine how it makes us feel too.

[Dr.Scorpion]

This may or may not be what some board members want to hear but I'm just going to chime in and say it anyway. I regularly share rooms with other girls and am not ashamed to say so. I only do it with girls whom I am in regular contact with due to us being close friends outside of the biz. We have an excellent system in place in which each of us is allotted a time frame during that day where we can use the room. We are diligent about ensuring the cleanliness of the room and that supplies are in stock and fresh towels are available. There is never more than one of us using the room at a time and you would never even know we were sharing unless you were to ask. It is somewhat unfair to expect us lower-volume providers to each book our own room, especially when we intend to work on the same day and only for a few hours. Since I typically only see 3 or 4 clients within a given hotel booking (for instance, 2 in the evening and 1 or 2 in the morning before checkout), it really does make a difference to share the cost of the room rather than have 1/3 or 1/4 of the days income removed due to hotel costs. I think that if this is done tactfully it should not be indicative of a lack of professionalism.

As for phones being off - I try to ensure that the sound on my phone is off (I have forgotten a few times in which case I always apologize and quickly turn it off). However, I keep my phone on and near to me at all times. This is simply a safety measure. My screening process is fairly effective and there are very few times I have ever felt unsafe, but you can never be too careful. It is important for me to have my phone in arms reach and I would not be willing to change that. It is also important for me to be a good provider so I never answer texts or look at my phone during sessions.

Are you serious? For the small amount you would save you have us all, and yourself use a bed that has been going non-stop?

Not to mention the attention the high traffic would cause.

Thanks for the warning as I am sure many of us had no idea.

And I agree with Newtothis, unless you completely clean the room, dump the garbage and refresh all towels and linens, it appears to Joe Customer that you are high volume.

I can't believe you came on here and admitted this.

[Jack Meoff]

This may or may not be what some board members want to hear but I'm just going to chime in and say it anyway. I regularly share rooms with other girls and am not ashamed to say so. I only do it with girls whom I am in regular contact with due to us being close friends outside of the biz. We have an excellent system in place in which each of us is allotted a time frame during that day where we can use the room. We are diligent about ensuring the cleanliness of the room and that supplies are in stock and fresh towels are available. There is never more than one of us using the room at a time and you would never even know we were sharing unless you were to ask. It is somewhat unfair to expect us lower-volume providers to each book our own room, especially when we intend to work on the same day and only for a few hours. Since I typically only see 3 or 4 clients within a given hotel booking (for instance, 2 in the evening and 1 or 2 in the morning before checkout), it really does make a difference to share the cost of the room rather than have 1/3 or 1/4 of the days income removed due to hotel costs. I think that if this is done tactfully it should not be indicative of a lack of professionalism.

As for phones being off - I try to ensure that the sound on my phone is off (I have forgotten a few times in which case I always apologize and quickly turn it off). However, I keep my phone on and near to me at all times. This is simply a safety measure. My screening process is fairly effective and there are very few times I have ever felt unsafe, but you can never be too careful. It is important for me to have my phone in arms reach and I would not be willing to change that. It is also important for me to be a good provider so I never answer texts or look at my phone during sessions.

It does however impact your ability to be discrete.

That's fine that for your 1/4 or 1/3 of the room cost you are only visiting 3-4 clients in that time frame, but for arguments sake let's assume each of the other ladies you work with are also seeing a comparable amount of clients in a day... That's one room, with anywhere between 9 (3x3) and 16 (4x4) different men knocking on that door at all hours of the day, although more likely most of the business is being done during a few peak times in the course of the day, so the traffice gets that much more intensified.

Now I have no doubt that the hotel staff know exactly who the working girls are, but there's additional fall out from room sharing;

1. The hotel no longer knows who is in their rooms, which in turn increases the likelyhood or suspicion of underage workers - one lady pays with a credit card and she is likely of age, what about the others? What kind of element likes to stay off the books?

2. The bawdy house label get's easier to stick when several ladies are sharing a room... While a bawdy house argument can always be made, it's that much more slam dunk when the room's exclusive use is prostitution.

3. Your ads are more transparent than many of you might think - Look at this very thread and what one member did with a phone number and how many names he unearthed. That implies organization... Any thoughts on who is interested in criminal organizations?

4. Clearly defined times or not, guy's don't really wan't to be the 15th guy of the day to lay in that bed, no matter how many times the sheets may have been changed... damp towels hang in the air, a waste basket that's a little too full, neighbouring hotel guests giggling or whispering as they pass you in the hall way because they know where you're going.

You call yourself low volume and that's fine - but think about how that adds up in the course of the day... Your 3-4 clients a day, multiplied by friends 3-4 clients a day.... Are any of them what you would call high volume girls? It's very difficult to stay discrete with that kind of mass volume coming to one room.

None of the above may not be something that you've encountered in the past, but that kind of volume does raise certain questions, red flags, and attention that very much runs contrary to the spirit of this business. Think about it another way... While hotels no doubt accept this kind of business because it keeps their rooms full on weekdays, many should still be somewhat pro-active in safeguarding themselves against too much negative attention or attracting the wrong kind of working girls (Pimped out, under age) - What does that say about your choice of hotels if they aren't picking up on what you are doing or are turning a blind eye to it? What's going on in other rooms that may impact yourself?

Otherwise I'm in agreement with you about the phone - I think it's fine to stay on, provided the volume is off... the constant texting beep and ringing is a turn off, but the safety of you ladies should always come first.

[honeycrisp2]

Dr. Scorpion,

I respect your opinion but as I stated above, the bed has not been going "non-stop" it is more like, a friend of mine may entertain one client in the morning (MAYBE 2), and then I entertain a few in the evening after we have gotten room service. No big deal IMO. There are going to be multiple men visiting the room whether or not it is one girl or two girls using the room. If I did not share the room with another lady, I'd compensate by doing a few more appointments and the result would be the same. Know what I mean? It's not like there are men coming to the room all day. The same number of men will be coming to the room whether it is just me working, or me and another girl. We share so that we can each do fewer appointments.

Are you serious? For the small amount you would save you have us all, and yourself use a bed that has been going non-stop?

Not to mention the attention the high traffic would cause.

Thanks for the warning as I am sure many of us had no idea.

And I agree with Newtothis, unless you completely clean the room, dump the garbage and refresh all towels and linens, it appears to Joe Customer that you are high volume.

I can't believe you came on here and admitted this.

[honeycrisp2]

Okay, I need to clarify a few things here.

1. I only share a room with ONE other lady in a given day. I have 2 friends who I share with, but I only share with one of them on a given day, and will share with the other lady on another day. It's not like I have a huge network of tons of girls who all just have key cards and go in and out of the room constantly, not by any means. I am simply dividing up the booking between 2 people, with the first half of the day allotted to one lady to do 1 or 2 calls and the second half of the day allotted to myself, where I do 1 or 2. There is usually a period of 4 or 5 hours inbetween each of us using the room, and either of us is only in there for 1 or 2 hours.


2. We BOTH check into the hotel and have BOTH of our names on the account - the staff know us, they know our names and ages.

3. When we do share, we each see less people. On sharing days, I will see 1-3 clients and they will see 1 or 2. Often, they use it in the morning, we get room service, and I head to the hotel in the evening. Often one us will be entertaining one or two the following morning, bright and early, before checkout (this is included in the total number) - therefore what it usually shakes out to is 2-4 customers one day (spread out over a long time period - like some in the morning and some in the evening, no regular traffic flow at all), and 1 or 2 in the morning - MAX. This is a perfectly reasonable amount and is what the average provider might do, 2-4 bookings over the course of an entire day, not unreasonable at all. There are very few days in which there are 4 customers coming to the room, we consider those our highest volume days and wouldn't push it more than that.

4. If I was not sharing, I would see a few more clients - so the total number of men coming to the room is the same. That's what I meant when I said 3-4 clients, I see that many when I am NOT sharing - and it's always 2 in the evening and 2 in the morning. For some reason I just don't like the idea of doing an appointment to "pay for the room". Dividing the cost in half allows me to make profit right away on the first appointment which puts me in the right headspace so that even if I weren't to get another appointment that day due to it being slow, I still made some profit.

5. None of my friends are high-volume providers, we are all VERY low volume, that's why we share.

6. No one has ever questioned the activity going on in the rooms.

7. I always stay at very nice hotels and I have good relationships with all of the staff there, who have never had any issues with us.

It does however impact your ability to be discrete.

That's fine that for your 1/4 or 1/3 of the room cost you are only visiting 3-4 clients in that time frame, but for arguments sake let's assume each of the other ladies you work with are also seeing a comparable amount of clients in a day... That's one room, with anywhere between 9 (3x3) and 16 (4x4) different men knocking on that door at all hours of the day, although more likely most of the business is being done during a few peak times in the course of the day, so the traffice gets that much more intensified.

Now I have no doubt that the hotel staff know exactly who the working girls are, but there's additional fall out from room sharing;

1. The hotel no longer knows who is in their rooms, which in turn increases the likelyhood or suspicion of underage workers - one lady pays with a credit card and she is likely of age, what about the others? What kind of element likes to stay off the books?

2. The bawdy house label get's easier to stick when several ladies are sharing a room... While a bawdy house argument can always be made, it's that much more slam dunk when the room's exclusive use is prostitution.

3. Your ads are more transparent than many of you might think - Look at this very thread and what one member did with a phone number and how many names he unearthed. That implies organization... Any thoughts on who is interested in criminal organizations?

4. Clearly defined times or not, guy's don't really wan't to be the 15th guy of the day to lay in that bed, no matter how many times the sheets may have been changed... damp towels hang in the air, a waste basket that's a little too full, neighbouring hotel guests giggling or whispering as they pass you in the hall way because they know where you're going.

You call yourself low volume and that's fine - but think about how that adds up in the course of the day... Your 3-4 clients a day, multiplied by friends 3-4 clients a day.... Are any of them what you would call high volume girls? It's very difficult to stay discrete with that kind of mass volume coming to one room.

None of the above may not be something that you've encountered in the past, but that kind of volume does raise certain questions, red flags, and attention that very much runs contrary to the spirit of this business. Think about it another way... While hotels no doubt accept this kind of business because it keeps their rooms full on weekdays, many should still be somewhat pro-active in safeguarding themselves against too much negative attention or attracting the wrong kind of working girls (Pimped out, under age) - What does that say about your choice of hotels if they aren't picking up on what you are doing or are turning a blind eye to it? What's going on in other rooms that may impact yourself?

Otherwise I'm in agreement with you about the phone - I think it's fine to stay on, provided the volume is off... the constant texting beep and ringing is a turn off, but the safety of you ladies should always come first.

[Jack Meoff]

Sorry - There were further posts while I was writing mine that changed things a bit;

Nicole has since clarified that she is only sharing the room with one other girl - given the original post, and her initial comments I was under the impression that she was sharing the room with upwards of 3-4 other ladies, in which case I stand by my comments about the dangers of too many ladies working out of one room.

I don't see anything wrong with 2 girls sharing a room provided they are attentive to the increased attention this may bring upon them and their clients, which really can be contingent upon the number of the clients they see in a day combined.

I think there's always going to be that "ick" factor involved in this business... Take a girl out on a date and she tell's you she just blew her door man while waiting for you to pick her up and the date's likely off, and yet we see SP's knowing full well they've engaged in sexual acts with several other clients that same day... Likely performing many of the same "extreme" acts that many of us routinely seek out (BBBJ, CIM, SW... ect), all in the same room/bed that we are prepared to do it in. We don't like it, but this business operates on out of sight, out of mind, and out ability to trick ourselves - and the best ladies know how to maintain that illusion that you are the first of the day. Sharing a room can make it that much harder, but I can see where Nicole is coming from on this if it were just here and one other girl.

Lastly, I wasn't calling Nicole or any of her friends character into question - but was instead talking about the kind of red flags and attention that a third party make take away from ANY group of women working together in this business.

[honeycrisp2]

Yes thank you I should have stated from the beginning that when I said "other girls" I did not mean "a bunch of girls" I mean that I have a couple of friends who I share with but not all at the same time :) it's more like me and girl A one day, me and girl B another day. And there are no girls C, D, E etc. I should also mention that girls A and B have been my best friends for MANY years, before we got into this biz, and we all live together. We all know what's going on with each other at all times and we are never questioning each other's business practices. It is all very transparent.

Honestly I hope everyone can see where I'm coming from and that I am not being unreasonable about this. The red flags that you guys have mentioned are all very legitimate and I completely understand where you are coming from, but I think some people are getting the wrong idea about what things look like in my situation. I was surprised when people started responding the way they did, and immediately realized what this kind of thing CAN look like for a lot of girls - I guess I consider myself a very professional lady who is very careful and I have never, ever had an issue with any hotel, never a complaint about traffic, never a questioning of the cleanliness of the room, etc.

Yikes I am feeling really crappy and nervous and upset about this now as I fear I have given a really bad impression to some of you folks. I hope you will all read my responses and understand 'cause I feel like I'm doing things right and I hope y'all can see that too.

x0

Sorry - There were further posts while I was writing mine that changed things a bit;

Nicole has since clarified that she is only sharing the room with one other girl - given the original post, and her initial comments I was under the impression that she was sharing the room with upwards of 3-4 other ladies, in which case I stand by my comments about the dangers of too many ladies working out of one room.

I don't see anything wrong with 2 girls sharing a room provided they are attentive to the increased attention this may bring upon them and their clients, which really can be contingent upon the number of the clients they see in a day combined.

I think there's always going to be that "ick" factor involved in this business... Take a girl out on a date and she tell's you she just blew her door man while waiting for you to pick her up and the date's likely off, and yet we see SP's knowing full well they've engaged in sexual acts with several other clients that same day... Likely performing many of the same "extreme" acts that many of us routinely seek out (BBBJ, CIM, SW... ect), all in the same room/bed that we are prepared to do it in. We don't like it, but this business operates on out of sight, out of mind, and out ability to trick ourselves - and the best ladies know how to maintain that illusion that you are the first of the day. Sharing a room can make it that much harder, but I can see where Nicole is coming from on this if it were just here and one other girl.

Lastly, I wasn't calling Nicole or any of her friends character into question - but was instead talking about the kind of red flags and attention that a third party make take away from ANY group of women working together in this business.

[Rogie1]

Noelle,

Can I see you with girl A or girl B? Please let me know by PM if that's more appropriate.

BTW - I've seen Noelle and had nothing but respect for the way she carried herself, conducted her business & the upkeep of the room. I'm not a germaphobe or anything like that, but cleanliness of the room to me is a pretty good reflection of the hygiene I can expect from the provider & as indicated above I'm 100% comfortable seeing Noelle again.

[honeycrisp2]

PM'd!

[coldrods]

I have seen Noelle before and the room was very well kept, to be honest once i saw her the world could have blown up and i wouldn't have noticed lol

If sharing a room keeps the rates reasonable and it goes unnoticed by me then all the power to it.

[honeycrisp2]

That's so fucking sweet! Seriously. Thank you :)

I have seen Noelle before and the room was very well kept, to be honest once i saw her the world could have blown up and i wouldn't have noticed lol

If sharing a room keeps the rates reasonable and it goes unnoticed by me then all the power to it.

[coldrods]

You are welcome and thank you it was a wonderful Sunday morning that time, I'm a busy business man and the time was appreciated, come to think of it, i think that time will be soon again lol.

[honeycrisp2]

Hooray!

You are welcome and thank you it was a wonderful Sunday morning that time, I'm a busy business man and the time was appreciated, come to think of it, i think that time will be soon again lol.

[coldrods]

lol, is ur cell # the same as back in September? You can PM if u prefer.

[honeycrisp2]

Okay folks - I've said all I needed to say. For the sake of my sanity and my poor little heart I am going to make my grand exit from this thread now, as I think I have effectively hijacked it which as never my intention. Please read through all of my subsequent comments before making a judgement call regarding my initial response, 'tis all I ask.

Over and out,

Frosty

[coldrods]

Yup, sorry for jacking in this thread guys.




















pun intended.