Asian Numbers

[gurgon]

Anyone had any luck with the non-Naina 9070 numbers if you recognize any of them from recent tries? I'm real cautious after a narrowly avoided sting from LE.

647 293 9283
647 491 9493
905 962 5336
437 248 1308

[bjfan]

Tell us more about this situation you experienced.

[Fayde]

Yeah Im with Bj on this, share what happened because none of us know what you mean. Did you go to see an asian provider and something was up?

[gurgon]

I'll be vague as LE is almost certainly on this forum, but they're using new numbers and posting their own fake ads using locations we know and use. Would have been trapped by them more than once if I hadn't been far off already and watching. In one circumstance they were using someone I had even seen before. Their number and old ads and everything under their control. Must have arrested her and got her phone. They were baiting me with texts to see if I'd come out. Should have been using a burner phone.

You know, might be time to retire.

[jhyuigty]

I'll be vague as LE is almost certainly on this forum, but they're using new numbers and posting their own fake ads using locations we know and use. Would have been trapped by them more than once if I hadn't been far off already and watching. In one circumstance they were using someone I had even seen before. Their number and old ads and everything under their control. Must have arrested her and got her phone. They were baiting me with texts to see if I'd come out. Should have been using a burner phone.

You know, might be time to retire.

I was about to text 647-293-9283, this is undercover you are saying?

[gurgon]

I was about to text 647-293-9283, this is undercover you are saying?

No. I'm asking if anyone can verify those numbers are safe.

[KWGuy]

I'll be vague as LE is almost certainly on this forum, but they're using new numbers and posting their own fake ads using locations we know and use. Would have been trapped by them more than once if I hadn't been far off already and watching. In one circumstance they were using someone I had even seen before. Their number and old ads and everything under their control. Must have arrested her and got her phone. They were baiting me with texts to see if I'd come out. Should have been using a burner phone.

You know, might be time to retire.

This sounds fishy. It's not illegal to sell and advertise one's sexual services in Canada, so long as it only involves themselves and not on another's behalf. She must have been on their radar for some other very serious crime(s), like drug/sex trafficking, fraud, or running a racket. Law enforcement doesn't undergo a massive operation involving undercover agents without intense legal justification. This includes warrants to wiretap phones and private messages, which requires them to present their case to a judge who then has to agree that there's "reasonable grounds to believe that an offense has been committed and that evidence or a person involved in the offense is likely to be found at a particular location". Otherwise, it's a direct violation of section 8 in the Charter that prohibits unreasonable searches and seizures.

Police can't just create fake ads to lure clients in and then bust them for it. That's entrapment, which is illegal. They have to either catch you in the act or have enough evidence to charge you for a crime that was already committed.

Furthermore, this is why the term "escort" is used instead of "prostitute". Prostitution is specifically buying and selling sex, whereas escorting involves companionship, which is a much broader term. This allows people to say that they're not buying sex, but their time, and whatever happens during that is entirely up to them. It's a technicality that determines whether or not they have grounds to prosecute.

To be clear, I'm not a legal expert, so consult one to make sure I'm right. But I'm pretty skeptical of OP's story here.

[Puff n' Stuff]

This sounds fishy. It's not illegal to sell and advertise one's sexual services in Canada, so long as it only involves themselves and not on another's behalf. She must have been on their radar for some other very serious crime(s), like drug/sex trafficking, fraud, or running a racket. Law enforcement doesn't undergo a massive operation involving undercover agents without intense legal justification. This includes warrants to wiretap phones and private messages, which requires them to present their case to a judge who then has to agree that there's "reasonable grounds to believe that an offense has been committed and that evidence or a person involved in the offense is likely to be found at a particular location". Otherwise, it's a direct violation of section 8 in the Charter that prohibits unreasonable searches and seizures.

Police can't just create fake ads to lure clients in and then bust them for it. That's entrapment, which is illegal. They have to either catch you in the act or have enough evidence to charge you for a crime that was already committed.

Furthermore, this is why the term "escort" is used instead of "prostitute". Prostitution is specifically buying and selling sex, whereas escorting involves companionship, which is a much broader term. This allows people to say that they're not buying sex, but their time, and whatever happens during that is entirely up to them. It's a technicality that determines whether or not they have grounds to prosecute.

To be clear, I'm not a legal expert, so consult one to make sure I'm right. But I'm pretty skeptical of OP's story here.

This all sounds good but LE likes to bust people regardless so they can say they're doing something, sure they violated laws doing it and you're free to hire a lawyer and spend piles of cash. Ok so you proved them wrong it only cost 10k+ to do it

[KWGuy]

This all sounds good but LE likes to bust people regardless so they can say they're doing something, sure they violated laws doing it and you're free to hire a lawyer and spend piles of cash. Ok so you proved them wrong it only cost 10k+ to do it

No. LE aren't going to waste their time and resources arresting people on charges that won't stick, especially when far more serious crimes are being openly committed. But even if they do, this is exactly why you don't talk to the police without legal representation, even if you haven't been officially charged or you think you know you haven't broken the law. You can say something that may implicate you in a crime you didn't even know existed or interpret have it as an admission to one.

Lawyers always advise their clients that if you're detained by police, the only words that should come out of your mouth are either dead silence or "no comment". If they simply approach you to ask questions, ask "Am I being detained?" and if they say no, walk away.

[AlexCambridge]

Agree. All sounds pretty fishy to me. However, I do believe the coppers are actively keeping an eye on all Asian places, whether MP or SP, and are quite prepared to pounce on any of these places if they get credible evidence of trafficking and/or underage. Otherwise LE can't be bothered.
I'm done with the Asian places for that reason though. Too risky for my liking, with so many off-the-boat girls.

[KWGuy]

Agree. All sounds pretty fishy to me. However, I do believe the coppers are actively keeping an eye on all Asian places, whether MP or SP, and are quite prepared to pounce on any of these places if they get credible evidence of trafficking and/or underage. Otherwise LE can't be bothered.
I'm done with the Asian places for that reason though. Too risky for my liking, with so many off-the-boat girls.

I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure you can't get busted for having sex with someone who genuinely had no idea was being trafficked. If you did, then that would be aiding and abetting.

As for underage persons, this is exactly why the "mistake of age" defence exists. If you take every step you could to make sure they were above the age of consent and genuinely believed such, then you can't reasonably be charged for a crime you tried not to commit.

[discreet_fun_51]

Agree. All sounds pretty fishy to me. However, I do believe the coppers are actively keeping an eye on all Asian places, whether MP or SP, and are quite prepared to pounce on any of these places if they get credible evidence of trafficking and/or underage. Otherwise LE can't be bothered.
I'm done with the Asian places for that reason though. Too risky for my liking, with so many off-the-boat girls.

I think it was less risky when they were operating out of apartment buildings, but some have moved into houses in residential neighborhoods. When the neighbours notice the activity and complain, LE will do something and I don’t want to be there when they do.

[KWGuy]

I think it was less risky when they were operating out of apartment buildings, but some have moved into houses in residential neighborhoods. When the neighbours notice the activity and complain, LE will do something and I don’t want to be there when they do.

What activity are they going to notice, other than people going in and out of a house? That's nowhere near enough to get the police to respond. Are you suggesting that they're peeping into windows and watching what's going on? That's voyeurism.

Unless there's some serious noise complaint or a scream coming from that place, you've got nothing to worry about.

[AlexCambridge]

I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure you can't get busted for having sex with someone who genuinely had no idea was being trafficked. If you did, then that would be aiding and abetting.

As for underage persons, this is exactly why the "mistake of age" defence exists. If you take every step you could to make sure they were above the age of consent and genuinely believed such, then you can't reasonably be charged for a crime you tried not to commit.

No doubt you are correct. But the risk reward of going to any MP or Asain SP is just no longer worth it.

[AlexCambridge]

I think it was less risky when they were operating out of apartment buildings, but some have moved into houses in residential neighborhoods. When the neighbours notice the activity and complain, LE will do something and I don’t want to be there when they do.

agreed

[gurgon]

Are you suggesting that they're peeping into windows and watching what's going on? That's voyeurism.

Unless there's some serious noise complaint or a scream coming from that place, you've got nothing to worry about.

As a matter of fact they are. At a popular house we've all been to i was with an SP on the lower floor and noticed here and there that the curtains were moving. I thought it was just a breeze until I saw a slender black cord poking out into the room and moving. When I said something it pulled back out and when I went to the window someone was jumping down away from the window having climbed onto a unit or ledge or some kind. i was being filmed with a wire cam by what was probably a neighbour I was told was making trouble. They put the bars on the windows after that and cleared away the thing the guy was standing on. Took me forever to explain to the SPs what i saw