Its a bait & switch when...

[eye_nomad]

Six months ago a verified pic meant something. Now all it means is the girl 'resembles' the pic but the service is still hit & miss.

The SP's have upped their game. Especially the out of provinces ones. You know the ones. They have that sexy accent. Verified pics are now the regular and most unverified pics at least hold a leolist scribbled on paper. It is getting harder and hard to find decent SP's. We can't simply think the fake pics are junk and the verified pics are quality.

In another thread a wise member wrote:

I couldn't agree more. ...Either way something needs to change and it's not going to happen on its own or without us making the first steps. Any suggestions guys??

Yes, we need to do something. Clearly when we get duped we can't resort to violence because unlike the SP's we have respectable jobs and are not former members of the Criminal Justice System. So losing $200 bucks on bad deal is a pittance compared the the real cost if we decided to tune up one of these girls and end up in the Justice System.

The solution. We need to fight fire with fire. Use their tactics against them. As we have all been there and done that, it is really difficult to eject once in the door and tits & ass are in grabbing distance. So I ask everyone to post their list of signs "It is a bait & switch when..." For those higher than mighty cialis fucks, we don't want to hear about using agencies. Plenty of threads about that. So take your soapbox back to shoppers drug mart!

List: It is a Bait and Switch When...

1. You ask her what services are included and she says, "everything except bbfs".
> This is utter bullshit. This is the bait. Everyone knows bbbj and dfk are always ymmv.

2. You ask her when she is available and she says now.
> If she was any good [even marginally], she would be busy. There will always be a line up for good service - no matter the market. Even a line up of 2 means there is demand. If she is available right away, you either just got lucky or she is shit. Odds are she is shit. The stinky runny kind with bits of corn in it.

3. Her ad says she has a new number but doesn't include old one in her ad.
> This SP isn't into repeat business which means her service is shit. Everyone knows 80% of your business comes from repeat customers.

4. Greek is included at no extra charge
> Yeah right

5. Once you arrive at her location, she makes you wait longer than 15 minutes before giving room number
> She is trying to get you more invested, thus making it harder to leave. She knows her service is shit, but the longer you stick around the harder it is for you to leave. Think about it, it is extremely rare that the longer the wait the better the service. It is almost always, the longer the wait, the shittier the service.

6. SP is in a condo
> Your barrier to exit is much higher here. Parking is always a pain - you have to pay. You have to walk past security. Take an elevator up 20 goddamn floors. And after all of that, you have to bail if she doesn't measure up. Good fucking luck.

7. In her texts the SP uses terms of endearment such as "Honey, Love, Babe"
> This is a business transaction not a relationship. She has not legitimate reason to "love you". But using these terms fools you into thinking she is sweet and won't screw you over. SP's are the most hardened creatures on the planet. They will screw you over without blinking.

8. Her hh rates are higher than 140 and her 45 minute rate is same as her hr rate.
> Again, if she was into repeat business - this is the money maker, she would be doing her best to get you hooked on her. If she is charging a high rate - just to try her out, clearly she is in to duping as many suckers and then disappear.

9. She asks for eTransfer before you see her
> Yeah right

10. All her reviews are from 'Unregistered' or members with less than 100 posts
> These bitches are lazy as fuck. The last thing they are going to do is create a fake profile, post reviews for last few months, and comment on other posts, just to make their reviews appear legitimate. Don't be fooled by a review that says, "Long time lurker, first time reviewer". This is the SP or the SP's pimp trying to fuck us over. Remember, shit always stinks.

11. ...please add yours...

[Rouge One]

Six months ago a verified pic meant something. Now all it means is the girl 'resembles' the pic but the service is still hit & miss.

The SP's have upped their game. Especially the out of provinces ones. You know the ones. They have that sexy accent. Verified pics are now the regular and most unverified pics at least hold a leolist scribbled on paper. It is getting harder and hard to find decent SP's. We can't simply think the fake pics are junk and the verified pics are quality.

In another thread a wise member wrote:


Yes, we need to do something. Clearly when we get duped we can't resort to violence because unlike the SP's we have respectable jobs and are not former members of the Criminal Justice System. So losing $200 bucks on bad deal is a pittance compared the the real cost if we decided to tune up one of these girls and end up in the Justice System.

The solution. We need to fight fire with fire. Use their tactics against them. As we have all been there and done that, it is really difficult to eject once in the door and tits & ass are in grabbing distance. So I ask everyone to post their list of signs "It is a bait & switch when..." For those higher than mighty cialis fucks, we don't want to hear about using agencies. Plenty of threads about that. So take your soapbox back to shoppers drug mart!

List: It is a Bait and Switch When...

1. You ask her what services are included and she says, "everything except bbfs".
> This is utter bullshit. This is the bait. Everyone knows bbbj and dfk are always ymmv.

2. You ask her when she is available and she says now.
> If she was any good [even marginally], she would be busy. There will always be a line up for good service - no matter the market. Even a line up of 2 means there is demand. If she is available right away, you either just got lucky or she is shit. Odds are she is shit. The stinky runny kind with bits of corn in it.

3. Her ad says she has a new number but doesn't include old one in her ad.
> This SP isn't into repeat business which means her service is shit. Everyone knows 80% of your business comes from repeat customers.

4. Greek is included at no extra charge
> Yeah right

5. Once you arrive at her location, she makes you wait longer than 15 minutes before giving room number
> She is trying to get you more invested, thus making it harder to leave. She knows her service is shit, but the longer you stick around the harder it is for you to leave. Think about it, it is extremely rare that the longer the wait the better the service. It is almost always, the longer the wait, the shittier the service.

6. SP is in a condo
> Your barrier to exit is much higher here. Parking is always a pain - you have to pay. You have to walk past security. Take an elevator up 20 goddamn floors. And after all of that, you have to bail if she doesn't measure up. Good fucking luck.

7. In her texts the SP uses terms of endearment such as "Honey, Love, Babe"
> This is a business transaction not a relationship. She has not legitimate reason to "love you". But using these terms fools you into thinking she is sweet and won't screw you over. SP's are the most hardened creatures on the planet. They will screw you over without blinking.

8. Her hh rates are higher than 140 and her 45 minute rate is same as her hr rate.
> Again, if she was into repeat business - this is the money maker, she would be doing her best to get you hooked on her. If she is charging a high rate - just to try her out, clearly she is in to duping as many suckers and then disappear.

9. She asks for eTransfer before you see her
> Yeah right

10. All her reviews are from 'Unregistered' or members with less than 100 posts
> These bitches are lazy as fuck. The last thing they are going to do is create a fake profile, post reviews for last few months, and comment on other posts, just to make their reviews appear legitimate. Don't be fooled by a review that says, "Long time lurker, first time reviewer". This is the SP or the SP's pimp trying to fuck us over. Remember, shit always stinks.

11. ...please add yours...

Newbies should definitely give this a read ... thanks for taking the time to put this together. Yeah Condo's can be dicey ... especially if there's sign in, security ....they know where you're going to ... too many people daily can start to be problematic.

I would add "no black gents" should be an eye brow raise .... it's not always the case but historically a lot of bad service sp's have had this in their ad...

[sexiijane2017]

we can't resort to violence because unlike the SP's we have respectable jobs and are not former members of the Criminal Justice System

So are you insinuating that escorts have criminal records & that they cant have legitimate jobs ??

I know ladies who do this , work "civvie" jobs and have personal lives outside of this.


I agree with everything u said in your bulletin points , I just wanted you to clarify what u mean in the above quote.

No one likes being ripped off whether it is in the sex industry or in regular every day life. The key is to do your research and make sure you know what was agreed upon before going into a situation.

[Liquid]

Six months ago a verified pic meant something. Now all it means is the girl 'resembles' the pic but the service is still hit & miss.

The SP's have upped their game. Especially the out of provinces ones. You know the ones. They have that sexy accent. Verified pics are now the regular and most unverified pics at least hold a leolist scribbled on paper. It is getting harder and hard to find decent SP's. We can't simply think the fake pics are junk and the verified pics are quality.

In another thread a wise member wrote:


Yes, we need to do something. Clearly when we get duped we can't resort to violence because unlike the SP's we have respectable jobs and are not former members of the Criminal Justice System. So losing $200 bucks on bad deal is a pittance compared the the real cost if we decided to tune up one of these girls and end up in the Justice System.

The solution. We need to fight fire with fire. Use their tactics against them. As we have all been there and done that, it is really difficult to eject once in the door and tits & ass are in grabbing distance. So I ask everyone to post their list of signs "It is a bait & switch when..." For those higher than mighty cialis fucks, we don't want to hear about using agencies. Plenty of threads about that. So take your soapbox back to shoppers drug mart!

List: It is a Bait and Switch When...

1. You ask her what services are included and she says, "everything except bbfs".
> This is utter bullshit. This is the bait. Everyone knows bbbj and dfk are always ymmv.

2. You ask her when she is available and she says now.
> If she was any good [even marginally], she would be busy. There will always be a line up for good service - no matter the market. Even a line up of 2 means there is demand. If she is available right away, you either just got lucky or she is shit. Odds are she is shit. The stinky runny kind with bits of corn in it.

3. Her ad says she has a new number but doesn't include old one in her ad.
> This SP isn't into repeat business which means her service is shit. Everyone knows 80% of your business comes from repeat customers.

4. Greek is included at no extra charge
> Yeah right

5. Once you arrive at her location, she makes you wait longer than 15 minutes before giving room number
> She is trying to get you more invested, thus making it harder to leave. She knows her service is shit, but the longer you stick around the harder it is for you to leave. Think about it, it is extremely rare that the longer the wait the better the service. It is almost always, the longer the wait, the shittier the service.

6. SP is in a condo
> Your barrier to exit is much higher here. Parking is always a pain - you have to pay. You have to walk past security. Take an elevator up 20 goddamn floors. And after all of that, you have to bail if she doesn't measure up. Good fucking luck.

7. In her texts the SP uses terms of endearment such as "Honey, Love, Babe"
> This is a business transaction not a relationship. She has not legitimate reason to "love you". But using these terms fools you into thinking she is sweet and won't screw you over. SP's are the most hardened creatures on the planet. They will screw you over without blinking.

8. Her hh rates are higher than 140 and her 45 minute rate is same as her hr rate.
> Again, if she was into repeat business - this is the money maker, she would be doing her best to get you hooked on her. If she is charging a high rate - just to try her out, clearly she is in to duping as many suckers and then disappear.

9. She asks for eTransfer before you see her
> Yeah right

10. All her reviews are from 'Unregistered' or members with less than 100 posts
> These bitches are lazy as fuck. The last thing they are going to do is create a fake profile, post reviews for last few months, and comment on other posts, just to make their reviews appear legitimate. Don't be fooled by a review that says, "Long time lurker, first time reviewer". This is the SP or the SP's pimp trying to fuck us over. Remember, shit always stinks.

11. ...please add yours...

Good list overall, but some gems I've found who have done the following:

5. Once you arrive at her location, she makes you wait longer than 15 minutes before giving room number

Unfortunately this can happen even with the great ladies sometimes. I agree if it goes along with the other traits this should be a red-flag, but by itself it shouldn't be.

8. Her hh rates are higher than 140 and her 45 minute rate is same as her hr rate.
> Again, if she was into repeat business - this is the money maker, she would be doing her best to get you hooked on her. If she is charging a high rate - just to try her out, clearly she is in to duping as many suckers and then disappear.

A lot of girls have had to raise their rates to match the crazy rise in COL and especially hotels jacking up their rates to the roof over the past couple of years. 140/HH is the new 120/HH and if higher it's still plausible she's a legit provider if she fills a niche or is much better looking than most of the competition. This also holds true for those touring the region.

I would like to add:

Avoid girls who are using very cheap motels, especially the well-known motels along Dundas in Mississauga, Steelwell Motel 6 in Brampton, Hurontario/Brittannia, etc. the "well-known" and notorious locations for SWs even for people who have no connection to this hobby. I will say I have met great gems in these locations but they have definitely been the exception rather than the norm. It should be a red flag like the other red flags you mentioned and should make newbies hesitant.

[Ufcfanz]

I Def disagree with 2 of your statements.
1. Most of the sps I'm familiar with who use their condos are actually the most legit and best service girls
2.All my regulars and highly reviewed girls reply with hun or babe. It doesn't mean they want a relationship. Lol

Also what I do is I pay after. Or if they want the money up front I will ask for some dfk first. If they say no I walk. I've, also walked in and turned around and walked out many times if they aren't the hot girls in the ad

[eye_nomad]

Being a service provider one thing I learned about this hobby is you ... Stop taking this hobby so seriously...

... Stop taking this hobby so seriously...

Great feedback fellas. I especially like that we have struck a nerve with shit SP's and Pimps.

Hilarious that they are telling us to lighten up and not take it so seriously. Maybe if they weren't pulling the bait and switch so often, we wouldn't need to up our game.

These SP's and Pimps sooo despise this board - especially that we quickly blackball the shit SP's. Fight fire with fire!

[Ufcfanz]

I would never do anything with a client unless I am paid first. If I refuse to do dfk with you than assume your breath smells like shit and you should probably get that fixed up. Not that I’m going to scam you. If you pay for service and a girl refuses to do it. It’s because you stink

You missed my point it went over your head.

[Ufcfanz]

No it didn’t. You said you ask for dfk and if they refuse you will walk out. If you ask me for dfk and I say no the only reason is because your hygiene is nasty and you smell disgusting. I love dfk but I won’t say yes if you have shit breath. And if I agree and then stop, just assume you kiss like a fucking dog.

Your reason for not offering dfk are pretty obvious and common among sps. That is not my situation nor would it ever be. I think that's disrespectful to someone like yourself as well as myself. I ask for dfk when I come in when the red flags start showing or something seems weird. If they refuse it's always because they don't want to hand over a small piece of service before money is exchanged so that's why I leave. And usually if they refuse I've found that they wouldn't have provided it after I gave them the money anyways

[lurkerandajerker]

If you don't like what you see or she is not what you bargained for, turn around and go back to your car. It's not difficult.

If you agree to a service before you pay and she doesn't deliver afterward, not much you can do. For that reason, I only use agencies as they are more protective of their reputations than a backpage-type provider (not always, but more often).

You're overthinking it.

[Ufcfanz]

If you don't like what you see or she is not what you bargained for, turn around and go back to your car. It's not difficult.

If you agree to a service before you pay and she doesn't deliver afterward, not much you can do. For that reason, I only use agencies as they are more protective of their reputations than a backpage-type provider (not always, but more often).

You're overthinking it.

I totally agree and I've walked away as soon as the door opened many times. A couple times after handing over the donation and they refused to do anything we discussed I got my money back. I don't recommend people go this route tho

[Cax]

Well put together. I agree with all of your listed points but in regards to #10, sometimes the Unregistered or low-count posters such as myself simply come on here to read reviews and make a decision from there whether its sufficient validity to book with an SP of their choice, they don't care to post their experience about it despite we'd like to know how the session went so it can help more newbies either stay away or try it out.
By the way the "take your soapbox back to Shoppers" had me on the ground, ahahaha.

[mickey mouse x rated]

great thread, I used to see this one SP, years ago, not sure if she still active though, but she provided GREEK with FS covered of course but beats any others that offer greek as extra. She's an older milf i think maybe now in her early to mid 50's.